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and uh and then a other h h high high school therapist took over um
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and then and nsa
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and what she had me do was help make cl uh paper cl clowns
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and i'll tell you holding syllables for two seconds as a twelve year old
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and one of my lines that i say when i talk to students
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um and now as a h as an th th therapist
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get the
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was really really tough
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i said it sucks
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i'm very good at watching and listening to people
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and then nsp
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that worked with me
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can i be a good communicator
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and i would say that probably um shame was was a huge um component um
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and um and so we started working on things
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so i i i had i have sympathies for them
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so at that point i knew what i needed
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so i'm at that reevaluative
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but it took many years
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get the curveball
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of what do i need to do
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when i've read it b bef before um
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and and and so can i say what i wanna say
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but that kind of advertising and voluntary stuttering
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she died
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the whole wizard of oz books
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and working on b breath
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and uh biofeedback was just starting to come out
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which is interesting
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for that to really sort of sink in
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so i was like why am i reading this
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and um and then eventually coming to a place
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because they had uh they had me reading to parent volunteers
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or mississippi
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my speech took a pretty severe nosedive um
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after about two years after out of the out of th of c college um
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yeah i have
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sitting and he said h h how do you feel
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i still use to this day
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conference with us
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and that sounds c cliche
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so um put your money where your mouth is um
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who have had speech therapists
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so i think now there's much more attention paid to that transfer
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but there are things you can do
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when i heard that when i was young
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um uh f f from what i've read it's uh a uh l uh the root cause uh is neurological
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live with us um
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i still haven't quite reconciled it
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and then what you are expected to do is to monitor every single syllable that you say for the rest of your life
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um one thing that i often say is don't be scared of us
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and i know that they've said it to h h h h encourage me
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layered with emotional cognitive mental factors
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i i would have always wanted to do
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it sounds funny
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because it is tough
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and uh uh and i keep up a social schedule that would kill a horse
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so it's kind of like a big jawbreaker
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so i i oftentimes say you know it's the the neuro d deve developmental
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leaving fluent
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and there are times that there are things on the train tracks
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half a second a syllable
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and i think that is happening
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sure
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with my my work situation uh
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several times
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uh uh uh back in the late eighties and early nineties i went through the the fluency shaping wars
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i've always loved sequencing
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the one nonvocational thing
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and and 'cause i have i have talked to friends
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i love doing workshops um
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and nobody can do that
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and yet ask us to
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i think that's that's probably why i had become a family th th therapist um
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first
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uh m uh uh there uh there the the uh the the there there's a there's there's a al also some work work work work uh work work work work work in investigating the basal ganglia
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but um so building in those things
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it's like that's the only way that i did
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who who wouldn't go out and do surveys
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and four months later i was in in the sub basement
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and how to how how to do it outside
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um the the the signal is just not quite getting from from from here to here um
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but um i could go on
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uh uh uh uh uh n and even slow normal is still noticeably slower than most people's speech rates
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one is don't ask us to do something that you won't do
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so for example i would be speaking like that uh uh
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i've done small group teaching
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and that kind of stuff um uh
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or or or or n or or or just this particular fluency shaping
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uh uh uh uh uh m uh uh uh y b because what they a a a n a w what they ask of you is to learn this artificial uh uh l m l l speaking style
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and then something called slow normal
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and you're done
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and so forth
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but i think i would have um taken more risks um in my
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whether that's more p public speaking
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where they slow your speech down to two seconds a syllable
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and and a couple of things come to mind
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and and then you relearn all of the targets
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i interpreted that to mean like oh if i'm not doing it out there
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the the fluency shaping gains a a a g gains are almost impossible to both transfer and maintain
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